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	<description>Creative thinking and critique from Dave Trott</description>
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		<title>By: John o'Driscoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>John o'Driscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try murder.

jo'dp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try murder.</p>
<p>jo&#8217;dp</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22235</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your stories John.
Give me a clue, what sort of post do I have to write that would provoke your Tim Delaney anecdote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your stories John.<br />
Give me a clue, what sort of post do I have to write that would provoke your Tim Delaney anecdote?</p>
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		<title>By: John o'Driscoll</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22233</link>
		<dc:creator>John o'Driscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Although everyone, Webster included, tells me it was always Colin Milward as far as London was concerned.’ 

(Dave. ‘Millward’ is spelt with two ‘L’s.)

John Webster was right Colin WAS the guvnor’. Even now, Alan Parker, David Puttnam and Charlie Saatchi still invoke his name when they talk about their successful careers. In my book he invented it all as far as London is concerned. Nearly all paths of good work in this town lead back to Colin one way or another. 

Colin was a very good painter and I think that’s what he always wanted to do instead of being in advertising. I get the feeling he had no respect for it as it was in his opinion, full of fools. 

I never worked under Colin, only John Salmon, but I am always told that he had impeccable taste and judgement. Colin set a standard for all to follow and even today old CDP press ads, posters and showreel still bare that out. (The reel is worth a watch Dave if you get a chance. It’ll make you weep but more out of frustration with today’s work rather than any sentimentality in the advertising.)

If you ever get to meet anyone who knew Colin they will always do the same impression of him. (Gordon must know it.) He spoke in a slow Yorkshire accent,  (not unlike Brian Clough,) out the side of his mouth and always seemed to be biting a nail.

I found Colin more frightening than Frank. John Kelley and I met up with both Frank and Colin while in New York. (He had retired at this stage but was still a board member and was held in high esteem by the agency, especially by Frank.) We were doing voice-overs for Heineken with Victor Borge (I thought I would chuck that in to show how times have changed,) and Colin and Frank were on their way to Arizona to watch the filming of the Mike Cozens and Alan Waldie’s classic Benson and Hedges ‘Iguana’ commercial. We were all having a drink in the Twin Towers when Frank asked me a question about some casting we were doing on another job. I unfortunately gave a flippant answer like ‘I don’t know Frank?’ Colin jumped in and said “You should do young man, your paid enough” I thought he was joking but the look on his face said he wasn’t. Frank sniggered and turned his face away. (He loved it of course.) This was after spending a very convivial and entertaining lunch and afternoon with Colin. We had spent it wandering around the streets of Manhattan, visiting art galleries, discussing art and other highbrow things that I pretended to know about. I thought he was my mate. No way. Perhaps he saw through me and decided to give me a verbal slap. It worked. It kept me on my guard for the rest of the evening I can tell you. There is another story that Frank tells about how Colin would pretend not to remember your name. Apparently he always insisted on calling Judy Smith ‘Joyce’ even when he was by others and Judy.  

One more. (There are loads.) Colin is also is reputedly to have responded to a client’s charge about an ad not being in good taste by pointing out “How can you talk about taste when you are wearing a tie like that!” 

Despite the effect and influence Colin Millward had on advertising he never made a bean from the business. From what I know of the man he was quite a frugal and careful with the penny’s. (Remind you of anybody Dave?) I imagine that didn’t bother him much. 

John O’D

(Dave. My Tim Delaney story I will tell when you write a blog that is relevant. I can assure it will be even longer than this one!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Although everyone, Webster included, tells me it was always Colin Milward as far as London was concerned.’ </p>
<p>(Dave. ‘Millward’ is spelt with two ‘L’s.)</p>
<p>John Webster was right Colin WAS the guvnor’. Even now, Alan Parker, David Puttnam and Charlie Saatchi still invoke his name when they talk about their successful careers. In my book he invented it all as far as London is concerned. Nearly all paths of good work in this town lead back to Colin one way or another. </p>
<p>Colin was a very good painter and I think that’s what he always wanted to do instead of being in advertising. I get the feeling he had no respect for it as it was in his opinion, full of fools. </p>
<p>I never worked under Colin, only John Salmon, but I am always told that he had impeccable taste and judgement. Colin set a standard for all to follow and even today old CDP press ads, posters and showreel still bare that out. (The reel is worth a watch Dave if you get a chance. It’ll make you weep but more out of frustration with today’s work rather than any sentimentality in the advertising.)</p>
<p>If you ever get to meet anyone who knew Colin they will always do the same impression of him. (Gordon must know it.) He spoke in a slow Yorkshire accent,  (not unlike Brian Clough,) out the side of his mouth and always seemed to be biting a nail.</p>
<p>I found Colin more frightening than Frank. John Kelley and I met up with both Frank and Colin while in New York. (He had retired at this stage but was still a board member and was held in high esteem by the agency, especially by Frank.) We were doing voice-overs for Heineken with Victor Borge (I thought I would chuck that in to show how times have changed,) and Colin and Frank were on their way to Arizona to watch the filming of the Mike Cozens and Alan Waldie’s classic Benson and Hedges ‘Iguana’ commercial. We were all having a drink in the Twin Towers when Frank asked me a question about some casting we were doing on another job. I unfortunately gave a flippant answer like ‘I don’t know Frank?’ Colin jumped in and said “You should do young man, your paid enough” I thought he was joking but the look on his face said he wasn’t. Frank sniggered and turned his face away. (He loved it of course.) This was after spending a very convivial and entertaining lunch and afternoon with Colin. We had spent it wandering around the streets of Manhattan, visiting art galleries, discussing art and other highbrow things that I pretended to know about. I thought he was my mate. No way. Perhaps he saw through me and decided to give me a verbal slap. It worked. It kept me on my guard for the rest of the evening I can tell you. There is another story that Frank tells about how Colin would pretend not to remember your name. Apparently he always insisted on calling Judy Smith ‘Joyce’ even when he was by others and Judy.  </p>
<p>One more. (There are loads.) Colin is also is reputedly to have responded to a client’s charge about an ad not being in good taste by pointing out “How can you talk about taste when you are wearing a tie like that!” </p>
<p>Despite the effect and influence Colin Millward had on advertising he never made a bean from the business. From what I know of the man he was quite a frugal and careful with the penny’s. (Remind you of anybody Dave?) I imagine that didn’t bother him much. </p>
<p>John O’D</p>
<p>(Dave. My Tim Delaney story I will tell when you write a blog that is relevant. I can assure it will be even longer than this one!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Trott</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22230</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Trott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CDP and class-act are synonymous Ciaran.
So that goes for anyone who worked there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CDP and class-act are synonymous Ciaran.<br />
So that goes for anyone who worked there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, my comment on O'D was a tease.
John is a friend (one of two I can claim).
Yes, John Salmon was (is) a class act. 
Most people who passed through CDP were.
Ciaran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, my comment on O&#8217;D was a tease.<br />
John is a friend (one of two I can claim).<br />
Yes, John Salmon was (is) a class act.<br />
Most people who passed through CDP were.<br />
Ciaran</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Trott</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22226</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Trott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ciaran,
I thought it was Pearce not Pierce too.
But as John worked there and I didn't I figured he'd know better than me.
Since reading your comment however I realise never trust an art director with words and letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ciaran,<br />
I thought it was Pearce not Pierce too.<br />
But as John worked there and I didn&#8217;t I figured he&#8217;d know better than me.<br />
Since reading your comment however I realise never trust an art director with words and letters.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22189</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr McCabe
Quite common - folks used to confuse Davidson Pearce with CDP Pierce or was it Davidson Pierce and CP Pearce? Anyway, they were both great agencies. Shame they're no more. For that reason, while I've donated my other annuals, I stopped at D&amp;AD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr McCabe<br />
Quite common - folks used to confuse Davidson Pearce with CDP Pierce or was it Davidson Pierce and CP Pearce? Anyway, they were both great agencies. Shame they&#8217;re no more. For that reason, while I&#8217;ve donated my other annuals, I stopped at D&amp;AD.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22133</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallo John o'Driscoll and Dave Trott, I wasn't in CDP when they were at the top. By the time I was in London, they were at Euston Road. The fist words John Salmon said to me when I went to show my book was. "we just lost a huge account (think was Barclay's) so we won't be hiring and if you don't want to show your book, that's fine". 
I thought that was classy. He could have cancelled and never gotten back or not told me the truth.
Anyway, there's that great "Inside CDP" book and what was different was they got the luminaries to each write a page or two. Seymour, Lowe, Finkie, Brignull, Saatchi (although his piece was typically short).
It's still in print, I think but what's really sad is, the price keeps falling. Say this not because I paid 90 quid for it but rather, seems history doesn't have much of a place for CDP. And weren't those wonderful days and ads, before the bean counters took over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo John o&#8217;Driscoll and Dave Trott, I wasn&#8217;t in CDP when they were at the top. By the time I was in London, they were at Euston Road. The fist words John Salmon said to me when I went to show my book was. &#8220;we just lost a huge account (think was Barclay&#8217;s) so we won&#8217;t be hiring and if you don&#8217;t want to show your book, that&#8217;s fine&#8221;.<br />
I thought that was classy. He could have cancelled and never gotten back or not told me the truth.<br />
Anyway, there&#8217;s that great &#8220;Inside CDP&#8221; book and what was different was they got the luminaries to each write a page or two. Seymour, Lowe, Finkie, Brignull, Saatchi (although his piece was typically short).<br />
It&#8217;s still in print, I think but what&#8217;s really sad is, the price keeps falling. Say this not because I paid 90 quid for it but rather, seems history doesn&#8217;t have much of a place for CDP. And weren&#8217;t those wonderful days and ads, before the bean counters took over.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2009/11/lighten-up/#comment-22129</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it was always Colin Milward.
And no, Alan was never creative director.
And wouldn't you think that Mr. O'Dri-skull
might be able to spell, correctly, the surname 
of one of the founders of an agency he allegedly 
worked for.
Ciaran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was always Colin Milward.<br />
And no, Alan was never creative director.<br />
And wouldn&#8217;t you think that Mr. O&#8217;Dri-skull<br />
might be able to spell, correctly, the surname<br />
of one of the founders of an agency he allegedly<br />
worked for.<br />
Ciaran</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Trott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Trott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 
I bow to your superior knowledge: you were there, I wasn't, I was in New York at the time.
But from outside, reading the annuals, it felt like Parker was the spiritual creative leader.
Geoff Seymour told me, as a youngster, he admired the way Parker had a sign at his end of the corridor saying 'The Creative Departnment Starts Here'.
Although everyone, Webster included, tells me it was always Colin Milward as far as London was concerned.
Gordon agrees with you but says, as it was always Frank everyone was most frightened of, maybe spititually it should be him.
To be fair, it was John Salmon when I was in London.
But I was only ever at BMP, so it's all hearsay m'lud.

(Anyway, you still haven't told the Tim Delaney story.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
I bow to your superior knowledge: you were there, I wasn&#8217;t, I was in New York at the time.<br />
But from outside, reading the annuals, it felt like Parker was the spiritual creative leader.<br />
Geoff Seymour told me, as a youngster, he admired the way Parker had a sign at his end of the corridor saying &#8216;The Creative Departnment Starts Here&#8217;.<br />
Although everyone, Webster included, tells me it was always Colin Milward as far as London was concerned.<br />
Gordon agrees with you but says, as it was always Frank everyone was most frightened of, maybe spititually it should be him.<br />
To be fair, it was John Salmon when I was in London.<br />
But I was only ever at BMP, so it&#8217;s all hearsay m&#8217;lud.</p>
<p>(Anyway, you still haven&#8217;t told the Tim Delaney story.)</p>
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