Comments on: STYLE v DESIGN http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/ Creative thinking and critique from Dave Trott Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:25:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Dave http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8786 Dave Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:38:58 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8786 Mark, Do you know who said this? "The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers." It was Socrates in about 600BC. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Mark, Do you know who said this?
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders…. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.”
It was Socrates in about 600BC.
Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

]]> By: Mark Reddick http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8785 Mark Reddick Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:17:07 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8785 Hi Dave. Spot on. Funny how people forget that 'Old' was once New. As an aside, it reminds me of the saying 'there are no new ideas, only old ones that have been forgotten'. Who said that? Hi Dave. Spot on.

Funny how people forget that ‘Old’ was once New.

As an aside, it reminds me of the saying ‘there are no new ideas, only old ones that have been forgotten’. Who said that?

]]> By: Scamp http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8784 Scamp Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:04:19 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8784 Hello Paul. Hello Paul.

]]> By: john http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8783 john Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:14:50 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8783 "New media", case in point? “New media”, case in point?

]]> By: dave http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8782 dave Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:24:12 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8782 Anytime Stan. If you see anything you want just take it. By the way Helge, the artist you are talking of was around at the time of the renaissance, called Archimboldo. Anytime Stan.
If you see anything you want just take it.
By the way Helge, the artist you are talking of was around at the time of the renaissance, called Archimboldo.

]]> By: Stan Lee http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8781 Stan Lee Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:33:42 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8781 Brilliant, Dave. Hope you don't mind but I've posted your piece verbatim on my blog. Best...Stan Brilliant, Dave.

Hope you don’t mind but I’ve posted your piece verbatim on my blog.

Best…Stan

]]> By: helge tennø http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8779 helge tennø Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:51:01 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8779 Excellent post :o) I had an old photography teacher who said that there are no geniuses, just people working hard. Everything has been done already, we are now merely copying. He used an ad depicting a face made out of vegetables as an example and started referencing this backward to a dutch painter who did the original back in the 17th century. (I think). Donald Norman writes in one of his books in answer to a question regarding how we create for the new technological age (especially the Internet), and this was his answer: “Each time a new technology comes along, new designers make the same horrible mistakes as their predecessors. Technologists are not noted for learning the errors of the past. They look forward, not behind, so they repeat the same problems over and over again” I think ignoring the knowledge of the past is more of a mankind thing than an advertising industry thing. Excellent post :o)

I had an old photography teacher who said that there are no geniuses, just people working hard. Everything has been done already, we are now merely copying.

He used an ad depicting a face made out of vegetables as an example and started referencing this backward to a dutch painter who did the original back in the 17th century. (I think).

Donald Norman writes in one of his books in answer to a question regarding how we create for the new technological age (especially the Internet), and this was his answer:

“Each time a new technology comes along, new designers make the same horrible mistakes as their predecessors. Technologists are not noted for learning the errors of the past. They look forward, not behind, so they repeat the same problems over and over again”

I think ignoring the knowledge of the past is more of a mankind thing than an advertising industry thing.

]]> By: Paul http://www.cstadvertising.com/blog/2008/07/style-v-design/#comment-8780 Paul Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:25:58 +0000 http://cstadvertising.com/blog/?p=30#comment-8780 I've always thought it shocking how ignorant people in our industry are of their forefathers (and mothers). I suspect that that's because we're attracting more and more people who don't actually care about advertising - just the lifestyle and awards (hello Scamp!) that go with it. That is, idiots. And it's also because this industry is now overrun with graphic designers (rather than proper advertising people - copywriters, art directors and other thinkers) who care much more about the likes of Peter Saville and Neville Brody than they do the likes of Ogilvy and Bernbach. I’ve always thought it shocking how ignorant people in our industry are of their forefathers (and mothers). I suspect that that’s because we’re attracting more and more people who don’t actually care about advertising - just the lifestyle and awards (hello Scamp!) that go with it. That is, idiots.

And it’s also because this industry is now overrun with graphic designers (rather than proper advertising people - copywriters, art directors and other thinkers) who care much more about the likes of Peter Saville and Neville Brody than they do the likes of Ogilvy and Bernbach.

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